Blame the womens
When men fail, we seem to find it hard to lay the blame on them when there’s a woman in close proximity.
Sara Carbonero, a beautiful sideline reporter and girlfriend of Spanish goalkeeper Iker Casillas, is being blamed by some fans for Spain’s shocking World Cup loss to Switzerland on Wednesday. The Guardian reports that the gorgeous sportscaster is accused of distracting her boyfriend by being so close to the field before and during the crucial match. Casillas allowed the game’s only goal, and Spanish fans are worried that Carbonero could be to blame.
When a woman is raped, it’s the woman’s fault, not the man’s. When we consider presidential candidates, we consider how supportive their wives will be—but not how supportive presidential husbands will be (Clinton). When a goalie lets a ball pass, we blame his girlfriend. In all these instances, we parade around the most sexy photos we can find of the woman, whether to show that she was indeed asking for attention or simply because we cannot talk about a woman without considering how fit her body is for male consumption.
Seriously. Quit personalizing everything. Yes, men believe women deserve to be raped because a handful of rabid sports fans, who are known to start riots over a loss of their favorite team, made a wild excuse for their loss.
That makes complete sense.
Seriously. There are two things you’re neglecting- It’s fucking sports. Sports fans tend to be zealous, and zealousness leads to stupidity. So, they’re being stupid. It’s not a comment on all of women forever.
Second, you’re going all slippery slope here. If he’d had a boyfriend who had distracted him, assuming distraction had been the case, I’m sure it would be a huge deal too. But even worse, since it would be a gay couple. Then could I say that men are kept down and hated because men are being blamed for sports losses when they’re not even playing the game?
Seriously. You’re stretching and reaching for anything to make yourself feel like you’re put down for being a woman. I think being put down is as security thing for you, so you can blame society for your awkwardness.
Wolf, you consistently fail to see patterns in how our society things, instead stretching as you say I do pull ad hominems instead of addressing the reality that women are scapegoats. I won’t bother convincing you, our history’s made it clear you can’t be convinced.
You seriously suffer a learning-to-read issue. She never said that women are raped because of rapid sports fans, she never said that sports fans tend to be zealous, she never mentioned gay couples because that was not the point she was making.
Stop creating silly strawmen.
She said that women are usually blamed for the fault of men if there is a woman around in the Western society. Her examples are merely supporting this pattern, which I can strongly agree with. We even have it in such sayings as “Behind every powerful man is a woman”. It implies that women are to support men and when they fail it is their fault for the men not being powerful enough.
You act as though sports-driven zealotry is somehow acceptable or justified. The sort of behavior Yvette is talking about here is exactly why I don’t like the idea of sports.
Really? I am the one making strawmen? Reread my argument. I wasn’t claiming that she WAS making those arguments. I was extrapolating on the original argument. If X is blamed for Y, we must hate X. If we change X, it should still follow through. Since it does not, we see a failure in logic.
I never said women were raped because of rabid sports fans. I said that rabid sports fans place blame on everything and anything, when they can be so civil to not start riots. The problem isn’t ALL of society, it is one instance she is using to claim that women, and therefore herself, are subjugated and oppressed. I find it to be a matter of justifying her social awkwardness- I agree, I am socially awkward myself. I apologize, as mentioned in a previous post, for almost everything I do. It is not because I am a man and am subjugated and held down, it’s because I have an inferiority complex. I see a similar trend with Yvette, but she places her complex on an outside, uncontrollable source- Namely, on her gender, and thereby lifts herself from blame.
Or it means that to justify a man’s existence, he needs a woman in the first place- That women are the true power and that men are just the figureheads. That’s why an argument based on a colloquial saying isn’t a valid argument.
The problem is, it isn’t one instance. Which she clearly points out by mentioning such a thing as politics. Then it is not about rabid sports fans. The sports fans are merely already expressing an idea which persists in our society, namely that women are to be blamed for the fault of men.
Of course the saying also implies that a woman is needed to justify a man’s existence, but to remove the part where the woman fails to meet that goal, to be there, to be supportive, also overlooks the fact that this in turn implies.
My point exactly by bringing up such a saying is that it is that, colloquial. It is valid because of this, because it reveals a subtle tendency in how we think (not just rabid sports fans). When a man is successful, it is thanks to the woman who helped him to get there, without her he is nothing. But when she is not there, it is her fault because she wasn’t there.
This proves that this idea extends far greater than just to some rabid sports fans. Where did they get the idea anyway? You say that they could blame anything. So why not blaming say, the judge? Or that the ball was manufactured in a faulty manner? Yet it is the woman who is at fault. Can you explain this? It wasn’t random that the woman was picked, especially when there are so many other factors that in fact could have a much greater outcome in a sports scenario than the influence the woman has on her husband.
Women ARE blamed for the fault of men, because it removes the responsbility off the men. It’s not about Yvette trying to hide her social awkwardness (and how can you come up with that based on some blog posts anyway…?), she is merely pointing out that in most cases, this is how it is like still, today. So are you going to say that just because I am a woman, I agree with Yvette because of my social akwardness as well? Seems like quite the easy cop-out to me, blame it all on the social awkwardness.
This world has billions of people in it. This means that things that happen will happen more than once. This incident isn’t really an example of women being oppressed. Remember that Red Sox game, or whatever it was, where the guy caught what he thought was a foul ball? Are men hated by other men, because he was a man and was hated for a sports faux pas?
The point is, it’s not that SHE was a woman, it’s that it was a SPORTS EVENT where emotions are high, and excuses are made to, for and about anyone, all the time, forever. It’s not new. If she had been black, it would have been a racial issue. If she had been dyslexic, it would have been a mental status issue. You’re making mountains of imaginary molehills.
It’s still colloquial, it still doesn’t mean jack. There’s a saying “There once was a man from nantucket…”- That doesn’t mean that all males from nantucket are well endowed with an ear fetish, or even that a high percentage of them are.
Or, “Every dog has his day”- My dog is female, and shall therefore have no day, as it specifically states “He”. Most dogs have several days, and in fact live to be around 15 years of age. Every person who is treated like a dog will have their revenge. Every dog will have a special moment. Good days are shared by dogs or people treated like dogs too. The point of this paragraph is to express the meaninglessness of a colloquial phrase- Not only is it, again, making a mountain of a molehill, to pick at the subtle meaning, but it can mean such a range of things that it can’t be used as proper evidence for anything.
Sometimes women are blamed for men. And sometimes men are blamed for women. And sometimes blacks are blamed for whites and whites are blamed for blacks. I don’t feel that you are socially awkward, I was alluding to Yvette’s previous blog posts where she explains that she feels awkward in common social situations. She continues to conclude that she must feel that way because of how society treats women. I’m a man and feel the same thing. Therefore, no, it’s not just women. She’s just awkward.
I feel that you’re primarily against white males because you feel they are privileged. Therefore, you side more with women, being a woman (I’m assuming you’re female). and likely with black people, largely because they are NOT white males. Of course, this is a very quick, very abridged analysis of what I can assume from two posts worth of information. Not that anyone in their right mind would admit it if I were right.
My point isn’t that “It’s all good, because it’s sports fans”. My point is that sports fans tend to become rabid when dealing with sports, particularly their team’s loss- It’s nothing new, it’s not an issue, it’s not a legal declaration or a reflection of society at it’s heart. If the actions of sports fans defined us all, we’d all be fucked.
wel, IF women would stop getting drunk, then getting naked at those goshdarn frat parties,AND stop calling it ‘rape’ after having regret sex with their on/off boyfriends that would be a good start.
women taking responsibility for their careless, risky behaviour?
never gonna happen.
You are a hate-filled pile of rubbish who is too full of bitterness to see reality. Shoo.